i have gotten these trees from a forest near my home and i wondered what your idea's are on these trees.

Daniël

The one in picture 2 needs a pit more time before you can train it so you can get a nice trunk. But the one in the 1st picture is at the time when you can start training it. you could start by cutting the lowest branches off, then wire the other branches then start prunning.

Needs 5 years in the ground to develope some trunk and branches, but a good starter.