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JBP - To chop or not? 2 weeks 2 days ago #37324

So I have this leggy black pine, and have this feeling that the only way to keep it is chopping it very low to make a possible literate in the future.
Another possibility is leaving the future dead trunk as a jin (almost a shari, in this case).
What do you guys think?
It is already dead (if I throw it away), so better try, no?

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JBP - To chop or not? 2 weeks 2 days ago #37326

Well, it is not dead. I would re do the wiring, not good. The branch on the left is odd, if the style chosen was literati the I might remove it. The higher branches are in a cartwheel and some need to be removed. I don't think I would remove where you suggest, not yet anyway, There is also the possibility of semi or cascade. But it is your tree and the decision is yours
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JBP - To chop or not? 2 weeks 2 days ago #37327

m5eaygeoff wrote: Well, it is not dead. I would re do the wiring, not good.

Yes, you're right. I got it wired as a gift, last year. The wire on the trunk is doing nothing to the non-movement of it.
Some cross-wiring also.
After some snapped branches, one is cautious. The wiring is old, will be cut anyway.

m5eaygeoff wrote: The branch on the left is odd, if the style chosen was literati the I might remove it.

No, I don't think you got it right; I want to get rid of the whole trunk! And keep the odd branch (wiring it differently).

m5eaygeoff wrote: The higher branches are in a cartwheel..

That's one of the reasons to chop the trunk. The other being the reverse taper.

m5eaygeoff wrote: There is also the possibility of semi or cascade.

Yes, it could be, perhaps better than a literatti, but... Still leggy.
Thanks for your comments!
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JBP - To chop or not? 2 weeks 2 days ago #37328

In fact, I've been showing this tree around because I don't like to throw trees in the trash bin.
Specially Black Pines, not so easy to find around here.
But IF there is any hope, I can't see it right now...
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JBP - To chop or not? 2 weeks 1 day ago #37338

Hi,
i would remove the foliage in the top, so the nice new buds have more chance to grow. build a shohin from it. +7 years:)

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JBP - To chop or not? 2 weeks 1 day ago #37339

Orlando;

Yes, this is a possibility.
But in this case, couldn't I cut the trunk much lower?
Do I have to keep some upper foliage so the tree don't die, or are the branchlets lower down good enough?
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JBP - To chop or not? 2 weeks 1 day ago #37341

If you cut it lower next year or the year after, depends on the volume of foliage. the new buds have more chance to take over the roots and keep the right side alive. otherwise you end up with a small live vein on the leftside and right will be dead. and gone is the nebari.

if you keep branches in the top for a coupel of years, the tree will become thicker faster.

Give it some good fertilizer and full sun, you wil be surprised
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JBP - To chop or not? 15 hours 42 minutes ago #37636

Orlando;

Thanks for your suggestions.
Wires were cut down today, and the first chop will be where you have marked in blue.
Then I'll let it grow for a couple of seasons to see if we gain some trunk thickness and those small branches down catch.
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