TOPIC: Another Price Assessment (Acer Palmatum)

Another Price Assessment (Acer Palmatum) 2 years 6 months ago #17710

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So, last week a member of my club wanted to sell a tree and I´m assessing the idea of buying it. In any case, before making up my mind I wanted to know this forum opinion regarding its price directly related to this tree´s features. It is an Acer Palmatum, don´t know the exactly cultivar as the owner didn´t know either. Still, possibly an Atroporpureum or Dissectum variety due to its leaves color. He´s had this tree for the past 5 years and it is in good health. Now, I already have this tree with me, but I haven´t decide yet if I´m keeping it... So, any help would be really appreciated... Oh, and the current price of this tree is 50 euros.

Thank you all in advance,

Alain

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Another Price Assessment (Acer Palmatum) 2 years 6 months ago #17712

I would not want to buy this tree.
- Useless nebari
- Reverse tapering
- troublesome branches;
Fixing these problems will be hard and leave large wounds (lowest branch and remains of the old top)

For 10 euro I might consider it.
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Another Price Assessment (Acer Palmatum) 2 years 6 months ago #17719

I would not turn it down, yes it might need some work, but that is the name of the game. Depends on the price but why not?
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Another Price Assessment (Acer Palmatum) 2 years 6 months ago #17720

m5eaygeoff wrote: Depends on the price but why not?


As Alain wrote:
"the current price of this tree is 50 euros."
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Another Price Assessment (Acer Palmatum) 2 years 6 months ago #17721

missed it, not a bad price
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Another Price Assessment (Acer Palmatum) 2 years 6 months ago #17722

Ha, thanks for your sincere response Auk. Now, my points of view regarding your comments...

Auk wrote: - Useless nebari


Agreed. The nebari needs lots of further development. Actually I was thinking that maybe a root graft was possible in the back of the tree. Something like this:

www.bonsai4me.com/AdvTech/ATApproachGraf...ootsProgression.html

The hard part would be that I´ve never attempted something like this before and the fact that I´ll need a relatively well developed sappling to do this only makes it harder.

Auk wrote: - Reverse tapering


Here I´m going to have to disagree... I see no reverse tapper on this tree... In any case and at the most a lack of appropriated tappering. I mean, is true that the tapper´s slope is light to non existent, but again... I see no reverse tapper whatsoever

Auk wrote: - troublesome branches;
Fixing these problems will be hard and leave large wounds (lowest branch and remains of the old top)


Agreed... Branching and ramification needs to be improved. For instance, there is a lack of a strong rear branch and in some branches, internode distances seem to be too big. Yes, this is something I might have to tackle if I do decide to keep the tree.

Auk wrote: For 10 euro I might consider it.


Ha... I´d like to keep it for that price too, but is fair to say that it might be impossible. For instance, here are a couple of specialized sites in Spain that sell trees... You´ll see there several Acers way more underdeveloped than this one that are actually sold at higher prices:

lnx.laosgarden.com/advanced_search_resul...b8380204c22e2374ce0a
www.mistralbonsai.com/esp/bon/index.asp?e=bone&f=33 (Absolute Rip off)
www.bonsainostrum.com/6-bonsais#/genero-acer

In any case Auk... Thanks for your analysis. Your opinion is always welcome.

Alain
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Another Price Assessment (Acer Palmatum) 2 years 6 months ago #17723

m5eaygeoff wrote: I would not turn it down, yes it might need some work, but that is the name of the game. Depends on the price but why not?


Yep, I keep moving this idea from one side of my brain to the other. I feel its price is not excessively high according to Spain prices on Acers. Also, I think I might be getting to emotional about this tree, because I love the color change that all year long these trees are capable of putting up with. Again, I´m trying to contrast all of this things against the amount of work and patience this tree might take in the future... Because as you just wrote... That is the "name of the game" ;)

Thanks Geoff,

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Another Price Assessment (Acer Palmatum) 2 years 6 months ago #17724

alainleon1983 wrote: I see no reverse tapper on this tree... In any case and at the most a lack of appropriated tappering.


Could be the photo...

internode distances seem to be too big


Indeed, quite noticeable for one of the branches at the top.


Ha... I´d like to keep it for that price too, but is fair to say that it might be impossible. For instance, here are a couple of specialized sites in Spain that sell trees...


Sure, but you're not buying it from a shop. At our club, prices for trees of members are usually far more reasonable.
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Another Price Assessment (Acer Palmatum) 2 years 6 months ago #17755

Fr me, the only thing this tree has as a feature is the color of the foliage. Do not buy it, for the things Auksaid.

You consider this reasonably well developed. But..

- In order to create a new nebari, you need a lot of top growth, resulting in unusable branches
- To close the wound you need a lot of top growth. Se previous..
- The branches that are there have very long internodes, particularly near the trunk: You will need to rebuild those
- The branches are all made from straighsegments, and in time this will start to bother you.

The tree really is not all that good. I do not have atropurpuream, but I do have airlayers of last year in my growing bed that are further with regards to nebari & trunk, which I would not dare ask money for..
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Another Price Assessment (Acer Palmatum) 2 years 6 months ago #17764

Hi LB and welcome back to the forum... I believe some of us might be missing your advices already ;)

leatherback wrote: Fr me, the only thing this tree has as a feature is the color of the foliage.


True. I must acknowledge the fact that Acers´s colors are simply incredible. Colors that I constantly miss in my small "collection" of someday, somehow we´ll be a reasonable bonsai trees. :whistle:

leatherback wrote: You consider this reasonably well developed. But..

- In order to create a new nebari, you need a lot of top growth, resulting in unusable branches
- To close the wound you need a lot of top growth. Se previous..
- The branches that are there have very long internodes, particularly near the trunk: You will need to rebuild those
- The branches are all made from straighsegments, and in time this will start to bother you.

The tree really is not all that good.


Thanks a lot... Understood!

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