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Posted 9 years 1 month ago #25673

Auk wrote: We are talking about a supermarket mallsai... I said it before: take into account who your audience is.


We all have to start somewhere. While not a great tree to begin with, a Mallsai is a great place to learn. True beginners make mistakes. I don't want to make mine on a great tree that someone has put years of love and effort into.

As for the audience, I see someone who is anxious to learn. I also find others willing to share their experience. When I find I am no longer interested in the thread, I will not feel obliged to read it.

Thank you, Dippy, for bringing your willingness to learn, and to ask questions. You do not need to soak it all up right now. Just know that there are resources for knowledge out there, and move at the pace that is right for you. Bonsai is not meant to be a source of strain! You will probably make mistakes. They are not a waste of time. Consider them the price of an education - and as long as the pursuit gives you joy, don't give up! And don't stop asking questions!
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Posted 9 years 1 month ago #25674

Lynette wrote:

Auk wrote: We are talking about a supermarket mallsai... I said it before: take into account who your audience is.


We all have to start somewhere. While not a great tree to begin with, a Mallsai is a great place to learn. T


That is not at all what I was talking about.
It makes no sense at all to throw money at this mallsai. The bonsai soil I referred to will do fine and it won't cost much. Save the money for better material.

Likewise, it makes no sense to throw, meanwhile, 11 pages of advice to someone who is just starting. The Kaizen page is useful, but too extensive for a beginner.
Of course, you could recommend John Naka's Bonsai techniques volume 1 and 2, but it wouldn't make sense at this moment.

Learn to walk before you run. Start at the basics, with simple material and if that goes well, take the next step. If it doesn't try again.
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Posted 9 years 1 month ago #25694

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Winter wrote: #]Seriously - you found it to be so hard at first? Wau.


I'm not talking about myself.


We always talk about ourselves! Believe me - Im a psychologist/psychotherapist. If you don't believe me, for the start, you can read the following book that I had to for my doctoral thesis: Berger in Luckmann. 1991. The social construction of reality: a treatise in the sociology of
knowledge. Garden City: Doubleday.
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Posted 9 years 1 month ago #25700

Winter wrote: We always talk about ourselves! Believe me - Im a psychologist/psychotherapist. If you don't believe me, for the start, you can read the following book that I had to for my doctoral thesis: Berger in Luckmann. 1991. The social construction of reality: a treatise in the sociology of
knowledge. Garden City: Doubleday.


Hehe, love it when people make claims about who they are in a location where noone can even verify the statement. Besides that, just because you have a ertwin profession, does not mean knowing all there is.

I am a spatial ecologist, yet know not all there is to know about life on earth. ;)

That is not to say I disagree with the proposition that whatever we say or do, is founded in our self image.
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Posted 9 years 1 month ago #25707

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Winter wrote: We always talk about ourselves! Believe me - Im a psychologist/psychotherapist. If you don't believe me, for the start, you can read the following book that I had to for my doctoral thesis: Berger in Luckmann. 1991. The social construction of reality: a treatise in the sociology of
knowledge. Garden City: Doubleday.


Hehe, love it when people make claims about who they are in a location where noone can even verify the statement. Besides that, just because you have a ertwin profession, does not mean knowing all there is.

I am a spatial ecologist, yet know not all there is to know about life on earth. ;)

That is not to say I disagree with the proposition that whatever we say or do, is founded in our self image.


Understandably and as most of us don't want to reveal our true identities it will not be possible to verify. But I believe it's still better than some people on this site showing themselves as the self proclaimed moral police and the ones that need to comment everybody else's comments although their comments have no contribution or added value than in feeding their egos and looking for attention (I can explain this in more elaborate way but it will be two pages :) ).
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Posted 9 years 1 month ago #25711

Winter wrote:

Auk wrote:

Winter wrote: #]Seriously - you found it to be so hard at first? Wau.


I'm not talking about myself.


We always talk about ourselves! Believe me - Im a psychologist/psychotherapist..


I was talking about myself and I didn't know it!

(Sorry, but I'm too 'nuchter' to believe in psychology/psychotherapy)
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Posted 9 years 1 month ago #25712

Auk wrote: (Sorry, but I'm too 'nuchter' to believe in psychology/psychotherapy)


hm.. and other forms of medicine you do accept?
Odd, to reject phsychology.
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Posted 9 years 1 month ago #25714

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Auk wrote: (Sorry, but I'm too 'nuchter' to believe in psychology/psychotherapy)


hm.. and other forms of medicine you do accept?
Odd, to reject phsychology.


I see with my customers that there are usually two types or let's say reasons for rejection of psychology: the first is a different explanation (in this cases the one rejecting it will be able to articulate their logic with arguments), the other is that they are endangered by it (for example the husband does not want to visit the therapist with the wife as it may help the wife to "open her eyes" and the role of the king, the husband had, will be endangered).
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Posted 9 years 1 month ago #25717
wow... talk about hijacking a post!
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Posted 9 years 1 month ago #25721

Winter wrote: see wih my customers that there are usually two types or let's say reasons for rejection of psychology: the first is a different explanation (in this cases the one rejecting it will be able to articulate their logic with arguments), the other is that they are endangered by it (for example the husband does not want to visit the therapist with the wife as it may help the wife to "open her eyes" and the role of the king, the husband had, will be endangered).


I see the urge to put someone in a box, no matter what. I have two sons. They have friends. I have family with kids. The friends have boy/girlfriends. When I talk with their parents, in far to many cases I get to hear 'he's autistic/has ADD/ADHD/PDD-Nos'. Actually, that's the majority. Even the ones that were not diagnosed with one of those, at least got 'probably something in the autistic spectrum'. Statistically speaking, that would either mean there is a disaster going on, or it is just plain nonsense. I prefer to think the second is true.

Further, I think trying to analaze some based on some posts on a forum is quite silly.

Finally, before we get back on topic:
Try analyze yourself, and your urge to show off 'your' knowledge to someone who is only just starting and really doesn't need all that yet.
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